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Ivey (Appellant) v Genting Casinos (UK) Ltd t/a Crockfords (Respondents)
Well, the current legal position is that he kind of cheated but didn't do it dishonestly. That's broadly what the Supreme Court are now looking at. I'm not clear why you want to ridicule my point by mis-characterising it the way you did. Cheating is breaking a ...
Ivey (Appellant) v Genting Casinos (UK) Ltd t/a Crockfords (Respondents)
But it's not so black and white. What hustling is "acceptable" and what is cheating is a cultural thing really. I would argue that the history of advantage play and the games of cat and mouse between the casinos and the advantage players over the last 100 years have ...
Ivey (Appellant) v Genting Casinos (UK) Ltd t/a Crockfords (Respondents)
You aren't adding anything to the discussion by saying that. It's the same crazy mentality as the rabid brexiteers claiming that the Supreme Court are anti-democratic for trying to apply the law. Effectively the court are deciding what the law means as gambling debts were not historically actionable ...
Ivey (Appellant) v Genting Casinos (UK) Ltd t/a Crockfords (Respondents)
I agree he hustled the casino into metaphorically stacking the deck, although literally that refers to a specific deliberate sorting of the card order, which didn't happen. I don't think you quite get the level of scumminess of the casinos though, or the standard "concessions" that routinely take ...
Ivey (Appellant) v Genting Casinos (UK) Ltd t/a Crockfords (Respondents)
An extreme example - suppose We flip coins, with me getting £1 from you every time a head comes, but paying you £1.50 every time a tail comes. You have a huge edge on every flip, so to give me more incentive to play, you offer me back 50% of ...
Ivey (Appellant) v Genting Casinos (UK) Ltd t/a Crockfords (Respondents)
I already did. He negotiated a rebate for losing sessions at craps, then played shorter sessions than the casino expected him to.
Ivey (Appellant) v Genting Casinos (UK) Ltd t/a Crockfords (Respondents)
It's not that the people that run the casino think that turning the cards and reusing the deck doesn't give the punter an edge - it's that they put people in charge of the room that night who didn't.
Ivey (Appellant) v Genting Casinos (UK) Ltd t/a Crockfords (Respondents)
Actually that was amusingly brought up in court. Genting's lawyer suggested to Phil Ivey that Genting had every reason to suppose Ivey was a profitable potential customer as he'd lost heavily to them at craps previously. Ivey looked incredulous and made them check the files (which had been ...
Ivey (Appellant) v Genting Casinos (UK) Ltd t/a Crockfords (Respondents)
i agree with this, morally. I'm not clear it's cheating in law though. The casino didn't have to use substandard equipment; they didn't have to employ people who were incapable of realising what Ivey was up to. They claimed never to have heard of edge-sorting - there ...
Ivey (Appellant) v Genting Casinos (UK) Ltd t/a Crockfords (Respondents)
I watched the original case at the Royal Courts of Justice. They showed the video in open court of all the requests Ivey got the casino to agree to. It was a hustling masterclass. He got as many staff as possible removed from the room. Those that remained weren't ...
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