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Sorry I posted on memory thinking there was a spade bid in front of P's 2C, not after.
17 hours ago
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I don't know DB's system preferences, but I do play 5 card spade and 4 card heart openings as my preferred system choice. In my partnership at least, bidding 3D would confirm that the heart suit was at least 5 cards and allow P to show 2/3 card support now if they had nothing better to offer like a great 6/7 card club suit, or a spade stop for 3NT. Failing either of these options, they can of course ask for a spade stop themselves, or raise diamonds if they have four………All in all I think we would be in a better position to judge the final contract denomination and level.

DB below advises that P would bid 3H over 3D and now if we want we can RKCB for hearts and bid the appropriate slam. In the actual auction, I agree that P could only have 5 clubs, but in my partnership at least, suspect this hand (xx(x) xx QJx(x) AKxxx) might prefer to make a -ve double, so there are strong indications that he should hold at least 6.
18 hours ago
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Im not looking to change your Poll, it is what it is and you want a specific answer. I just didnt like the 3D bid dismissed as gaining nothing, as its the bid I would have chosen, but thats just my preference.
May 20
UI?
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IMO we have to bid either 3S or 4S as P has broken our transfer to say he max an likes spades. Passing is using the UI

Now we have to decide if this is possible if North has not psyched playing 5CM.
May 20
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Ok, so if P bids 4D when 46, you may lose a good 6-2 club fit when you dont have diamonds, after all you could bid them yourself next over 4C. Also if P held xx Tx QJx AKJ9xx, dont you want to be playing in a heart slam, grand looks good odds?……but the 52 fit is lost as well.

Dont get me wrong here, Im not saying 3S is a bad bid, but I dont think you can dismiss 3D as not having value, as I suspect a poll would find quite a few decent players choosing it.
May 20
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Really? Nothing good can come from 3D. How about finding out if P has xx heart support whilest confirming you have 5 of them, as we are playing 4CM.

As it is why cant P be xx x QJTx AKxxxx and we backed them into a 4C bid with 7D a great spot?
May 20
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Its hard to see P having less than 7 clubs if they dont hold the QJ of diamonds, so I agree completely 6C looks the best bet.
May 20
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The club play should see declarer with four cards. Im alos placing P with A9x in spades for the play so far. That leaves declarer with a 4(32)4 shape hand with the only possible missing honour being the JD. Declarer has 9 tricks therefore 4 clubs 2 hearts 2 spades 1 diamond.

We are trying to protect against OT. When P clears spades, declarer is going to cash clubs an we have to find 2 more discards……we will be squeezed as we protect the 4th spade also, and will have to unguard at least one suit…….spade or diamonds will cost a trick for sure, but hearts may be ok when P holds the Ten or declarer was 4234 shape. Discarding any diamond on this holding where Dec has the JD can see him make 2 overtricks with the hook.

So we have to give up our heart suit and stop P going wrong too. I' discard the QH first, then the 2H.

Declarer can still prevail though if holding the JD in a 4234 hand if he reads it all. As he cashes the AKH then the clubs and the squeeze still operates, so lets hope P has that card!
May 20
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Yes opp were playing SNT so maybe get a better start
May 18
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Thanks all - A sanity check here as we lost another 7 Imps when 5C failed and the opp defended 4S the other way. 4S is 1 off for 100 if you play for this. P's hand unfortunately was minimum and honours not as you would hope for to make your minor suit game.

……………..Kx
……………..JTxx
……………..QJ9x
……………..AJ9

AJTxxxxx…………………xx
xx………………………KQ9xx
x……………………….Axxx
xx………………………Qx

……………..Q
……………..Ax
……………..Kxxx
……………..K9xxxx
May 18
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Hi David are you talking about hand 3? If so we have to continue from where Will left us, so i'm now confused.
May 17
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There's an issues with hand 2 in that the hand says I'm South, but the bidding puts me in North.

Hand 1 - I play as per Phil above. Looks normal.

Hand 2 - Feels like LHO is 1453 or 2452 shape. These types of guesses I always get wrong, but as LHO is defending in a safe passive way, I suspect hes holding Qx in spades and hoping for us to hook. So I won't. No doubt wrong again.

Hand 3 - A strong player knows the club force beats us when he holds 2 spades. He's giving us a losing option with JTx and perhaps we should be insulted? Im playing for 3-3
May 17
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It does, but Ax is not a great stop, so want P to stand it if they have some form of stop too. Also its likely that spades is the danger suit, so preventing a cheap bid before 3NT could avoid this being led. As it happens even 3nt did not stop the spade bid!
May 15
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1m 2m - cannot promise 6 in most system, but especially so if playing 5CM. 1m 1S what do you bid with 14(53) for instance
May 9
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I certainly play this forcing, but would likely raise even if not. Played for 35 years NGS currenty about 63
May 7
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It strikes me that system bid for South is to Pass and dbl spades at the level they come back to them…..the pair now surely find one of their fits and have a chance at bidding the slam. After 3C Norths 3NT looks wrong to me. QJ bare is not a stop if the opp have spades and based on the system defense given P can have 6m4M when its clubs!
May 2
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Jack in a 7 carded suit may be required (gambling 3nt equiv), but is surely OTT in an eight card suit.
May 1
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The UK system sorts itself out provided both players play with others now and then. If your beginner never did then their grade would never individualize, but the pairs strength would still be right overall
April 30
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In the UK NGS system you get an individual grade, but you can also see your partnership grades. The system also allows you to see the top performing partnerships, so for Nationals etc this should not be a problem :)
April 30
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Fair enough, but your still interested in the theory and national team, so who knows :)
April 29
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