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„There is no such thing as “the actual agreement” in this case (unless North-South can show that there is)“. I can always show our actual agreement because I have it as eBook on my smartphone.
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E action should be based upon the information given and pass. Then S is likely to bid some number of ♠, probably 3♠. The X and yummy. If you don‘t believe the explanation, don‘t complain later. I had this situation when playing behind screens for the first time: The tray was not in a normal angle which let me believe that my partner opened 1♣ (polish) followed by an 1♠-overcall (I should have seen the green card between 1♣ and 1♠), I alerted my 1N and explained it as „6-9, semi-balanced, doesn‘t promise ♠-stop“ per agreement. I don‘t recall the rest of the bidding but opps ended up in their normal 4♠, no harm done. Now my screenmate called the TD and wanted to roll back to 1N X -5. I explained why I bid 1N and I can only assume that he (a German top player) knew that all along. He kept insisting for 10 minutes that the Td should give a corrected score before he gave up.
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Depends upon your methods. According to my book the bid is 2♠ showing a defensive limit raise or better. Playing NFB 2♣ is out of the question of course. 3♣ (natural and forcing) is an alternative, but tends to show a misfit. I‘m not really afraid of 4♠ but if N bids 4♠, I must double without being able to show ♥-support.
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It isn‘t the first time that I ask this question: „please define penalty double“. For me a(ny) penalty double is „pard I expect you to pass unless you have an extraordinary hand“. I don‘t expect that a „penalty double“ of 1N is exactly that, so what is it?
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Ken and Craig, IMO you miss the point, the one Ken mentions only shortly. IF 4♣ SHOWS A ♣ HONOUR YOU ONLY BID 4♣ WITH A ♣ HONOUR. PERIOD. Sometimes you get a good result because of bad bidding and vice versa. When I analyze boards, it‘s not all about bad scores, I care about doing the right thing within the framework of our agreements.
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I want to play against the Big Clubbets as much as possible because I‘m the most aggressive bidder in our team and avoid the WNTers as much as possible because I hate WNT (when played by opps). However if the Big Club comes with the WNT, I take both.
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I too use Danny Kleinman’s method for hand evaluation, then add points for length (not shortness!), but the first LP (for 5) only if the suit contains 3+hcp.
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Our QUC bidding: 1♣-1♥; 3♦-4♠; 4N-5♣; 5♥-5♠; 6♣-7♥ 1♣ = Polish, 1♥ because of MA(jors)FI(rst)A(lways), 3♦ = 19+, 4+♥, 4♠ = N takes over captaincy with Kickback, 4N = 3, 5♣ = Q ask, 5♥ = ♥Q, not ♣K, 5♠ = ♦K ask, 6♣ = ♦K, not ♠K. No way to find out about ♦ length, so 7♥ seems better then 7N.
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Not sure if this would fit in Grumpy Club. In my QUC we open 1♦ with both minors either way and a 1♣-opener never has secondary ♦ unless strong. Therefore we can use ♦-rebids to show the strong variant.
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With ♣ as the minor 3♥ sets ♥ because we can bid both pointed suits to show stoppers. Here we cannot show a ♣-stopper naturally and need to improvise. Per our agreement S would bid an artificial 4♣ (in stead of 3♥) to unconditionally set ♥. 4♦ does not deny 6crd ♥, because 4♥ is non-forcing, whereas 4♦ id forcing.
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If they are world class players I can only conclude that N purposely formulated his question in this way, hoping to extract information that s/he is not entitled to.
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Edit: come to think of it, my partner will bid 6♠ if he can‘t double 6♥:-)
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I had this situation when playing behind screens for the first time:
The tray was not in a normal angle which let me believe that my partner opened 1♣ (polish) followed by an 1♠-overcall (I should have seen the green card between 1♣ and 1♠), I alerted my 1N and explained it as „6-9, semi-balanced, doesn‘t promise ♠-stop“ per agreement. I don‘t recall the rest of the bidding but opps ended up in their normal 4♠, no harm done. Now my screenmate called the TD and wanted to roll back to 1N X -5. I explained why I bid 1N and I can only assume that he (a German top player) knew that all along. He kept insisting for 10 minutes that the Td should give a corrected score before he gave up.
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IF 4♣ SHOWS A ♣ HONOUR YOU ONLY BID 4♣ WITH A ♣ HONOUR. PERIOD.
Sometimes you get a good result because of bad bidding and vice versa. When I analyze boards, it‘s not all about bad scores, I care about doing the right thing within the framework of our agreements.
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1♣-1♥; 3♦-4♠; 4N-5♣; 5♥-5♠; 6♣-7♥
1♣ = Polish, 1♥ because of MA(jors)FI(rst)A(lways), 3♦ = 19+, 4+♥,
4♠ = N takes over captaincy with Kickback, 4N = 3,
5♣ = Q ask, 5♥ = ♥Q, not ♣K,
5♠ = ♦K ask, 6♣ = ♦K, not ♠K.
No way to find out about ♦ length, so 7♥ seems better then 7N.
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4♦ does not deny 6crd ♥, because 4♥ is non-forcing, whereas 4♦ id forcing.
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