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Nothing wrong with playing NLM (4♣ showing ♣+♥) but I don‘t like the texture of my ♥s. Double with Kx in ♦ is a fine alternative. Of course I would never convert the double and neither would my partner.
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You decided to invite, now stick to it. Do I have to quote Oscar the Owl again? If you really want to right your wrong listen to Ron the Greatest and double.
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Michael, sorry to say so, but what you write is nonsense. 2M is to play and opener has to pass unless responder bids a second time in a competitive auction, period. Of course responder can bid 2M on anything he likes knowing that opener is systemically forced to pass. I admit that this opens the door for a risk-free psyche, but that doesn‘t make it psyche control. In the good old days 1grape-3apple meant we have game if you psyched and slam if not. That was psyche control and I will never understand why this isn‘t allowed anymore. But those are the new rules. I don‘t like them but I adhere to them. The two situations are definitely not comparable.
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Paul is right. That 12+12 is better then 16+8 is a fairy tale. Probably because „opening bid + opening bid is game“ but that was in the Goren days with an opening bid of 13+. Still I bid game with 12, but only because I don‘t like 2N-1 (in fact I don‘t like 2N at all). Consequently I don‘t invite with 1 either…I pass and play 1N (unless a foolish 4th hand reopens).
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1) I never invite if the max we can have is 25! 2) Of course I adjust for spot cards and placement of honours 3) 4333 is a big minus (I substract 2/3 points)
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„Sadly, I think most don't think to discuss that issue much.“ …until it‘s to late. But at least we discuss it AND come to an agreement afterwards. I guess that‘s what makes a good partnership.
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Craig, he wouldn‘t have a problem admitting forgetfulness of a recently added agreement and neither would I. I posted it to support your point of view. He compared it to 1M-2M which is stronger then usual in our system. My pov is that with a real max he is not obliged to bid 3♦.
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„There is very litle “gain” from carefully choosing between a “good 3X” vs. a “bad 2NT” followed by correcting 3♣ to 3X if partner doesn't have the same idea as you do about what hands might be suitable for each category.“ Absolutely agree. We play GB2N in lots of situations (see my comment upthread) and have recently taken up GB-X. Yesterday in a BBO practice match we had this bidding: 1♥-(3♣)-3♥-AP. Pard had QXx, AKQxx, KTx, xx. I thought he might have forgotten GB-X, but his view was that he needs more to accept the invite. My reasoning was that he should accept with a hand that would accept uncontested 1M-1N;2♣-3M. We now have this agreement.
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In a competitive situation 2N is GB with the following exceptions: 1) if pass is forcing, 2N is natural 2) if pard’s last bid showed a 5crd M, 2N is fit-showing with high ODR 3) if 2N-bidder already had the opportunity to bid GB2N, but didn‘t 2N is scrambling or minors 4) if 2N-bidder has limited his hand within a 3 point range, 2N is scrambling or minors 5) if it is 200% clear to both that there is no game, 2N is scrambling or minors
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A perfect analysis, but who would expect anything less from Kit. The beauty is that you can apply the reasoning to your own system and draw your conclusions.
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Anytime we are forced to the 3-level in responders suit. This includes 1m-(p)-1♥-(2♠);X as well as 1m-(p)-1♠-(3♥);X. If opener can bid 2 in responders suit, this shows 3 and we bid 4th suit with 4. This is based upon an idea from Robson&Segal for a WNT environment. We decided to keep the support double after seeing Kit‘s vote.
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Taking this GB-X one step further, I‘d expect that X then 3N asks for a stopper. Consequently if the X is on 3♠ pard should bid 3N with and 4♣ without stopper. This treatment would make the famous Thrump-double superfluous or am I missing something?
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In the good old days 1grape-3apple meant we have game if you psyched and slam if not. That was psyche control and I will never understand why this isn‘t allowed anymore. But those are the new rules. I don‘t like them but I adhere to them.
The two situations are definitely not comparable.
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2) Of course I adjust for spot cards and placement of honours
3) 4333 is a big minus (I substract 2/3 points)
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1) if pass is forcing, 2N is natural
2) if pard’s last bid showed a 5crd M, 2N is fit-showing with high ODR
3) if 2N-bidder already had the opportunity to bid GB2N, but didn‘t 2N is scrambling or minors
4) if 2N-bidder has limited his hand within a 3 point range, 2N is scrambling or minors
5) if it is 200% clear to both that there is no game, 2N is scrambling or minors
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We decided to keep the support double after seeing Kit‘s vote.
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