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That is the wrong question: You don‘t want to tell your partner what to do. You want to give him the information, that you have a 6th ♥. Probably playing your original 4th best is the way to show count. Your parner must decide if it‘s right to overruf or not. For all you know he could have J8762.
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I know about Revision, but they don‘t differentiate either, it‘s all in 1N. I don‘t remember where I got the idea, not Revision, I‘m sure. The oldest reference in my notes is when we started playing Gazzilli after 1M-1N but not 1♥-1♠ in KSU. We had 4crd balanced via 1N. My new partner doesn‘t like raising 1♠ with only 3 and we have decided to adopt Zirconia (can‘t find anything on follow-ups however) along with Gazzilli. That may make a difference. Re „impossible 2♠“: why not simply bid 3♠? After all you also have to bid 3♥ after opening 1♠. You could even use 3OM as showing OM-stiff and 3N (another impossible bid) as showing om-stiff.
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I should downgrade all 4 according to my rules, #1 is 17+. However downgrading produces more stress then upgrading and ATT I would not downgrade #1. Consequently I voted #2, which I rate at 17-.
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I play 2N as 10-12 with a 6crd m. I don’t know if this is „best“, but it fits nicely in our polish based system. 1♦-1M;2♦ and 2♣ (always 6, not 4M) are more limited and still open light m-hands. If you want to adopt my 2N I can send you our follow-ups.
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I play: X=t/o with ♥-tolerance or strong balanced, no stopper, 2N=inv+ with ♥-fit, unfortunately not always able to differentiate between 3/4, 3♠=Splinter with 4, 4m=fit-jump with 4, 3m= nat, F1. As always, I highly recommend Partnership Bidding at Bridge by Robson and Segal, which you can find on http://www.bridgewithdan.com/systems/PartnershipBiddingAtBridge.ZIP
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BTW, I found a nice idea on how to differentiate between 3crd- and 4crd-raises in an older thread https://bridgewinners.com/article/view/zirconia-better-bidding-after-1h-1s/ Unfortunately it‘s not very detailed, just the basic idea. Basically it says 1♥-1♠;2♦ is 3crd support and normal raises are 4crd support. …1N is some kind of Gazzilli, either ♦, 2533 or strong. No follow-ups. I‘m trying to put something together, but I‘d appreciate getting help from someone who took up the idea and actually plays/played it.
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No spiral fot me. I’d rather play 2N as natural. Do you really want to end up in 3M in a Moysian when 2N or (and that is the idea behind my question) 3m in a 5-3-fit. Also after the second step you stole the necessary bidding space to find out about stoppers for 3N.
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Tom, your FA wastes a lot of bidding space. As long as slam is possible we should bid as economically as possible. Therefore a jump to game or any jump for that matter should draw a clear picture, just a PJ.
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I‘m not asking YOU to give anything up and I can‘t give up what I don‘t use anyway. But maybe you can enlighten me about „spiral 2N“. Maybe it‘s a good gadget to implent in my system.
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I was thinking about responders rebids. Take for example 1♥-1♠;2♠-2N: wouldn‘t it be good to know if responder is balanced or 41(53)? Bidding 1♥-1N;2m-2♠ allows you to play 2♠ if you deem this a better contract then 2N. Again wouldn‘t you have an easier decision if you know if responder is balanced or 41(53)?
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My new partner doesn‘t like raising 1♠ with only 3 and we have decided to adopt Zirconia (can‘t find anything on follow-ups however) along with Gazzilli. That may make a difference.
Re „impossible 2♠“: why not simply bid 3♠? After all you also have to bid 3♥ after opening 1♠. You could even use 3OM as showing OM-stiff and 3N (another impossible bid) as showing om-stiff.
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As always, I highly recommend Partnership Bidding at Bridge by Robson and Segal, which you can find on http://www.bridgewithdan.com/systems/PartnershipBiddingAtBridge.ZIP
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https://bridgewinners.com/article/view/zirconia-better-bidding-after-1h-1s/
Unfortunately it‘s not very detailed, just the basic idea. Basically it says 1♥-1♠;2♦ is 3crd support and normal raises are 4crd support. …1N is some kind of Gazzilli, either ♦, 2533 or strong. No follow-ups. I‘m trying to put something together, but I‘d appreciate getting help from someone who took up the idea and actually plays/played it.
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2♦-2♥ (WT in ♥ or any strong 2-suiter / weak relay, pass if WT)
3♥-3♠ (Both M FG / preference, 1,5+ cover cards)
4♣-4♦ (control bids)
4N-5♦ (RKCB ♠ / 1)
6♥-7♣ (asks ♥Q / ♥Q+♣Q)
7N
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