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Not at all a beginner. Maybe not true expert but playing in A (>2500 masterpoints) so I felt should know better.
Oct. 16, 2015
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Very good director. In the actual situation I chose not to call the director because I expected a big confrontation that would fluster me for the rest of the session.
Oct. 16, 2015
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Correct, it was a face to face club game.
Oct. 16, 2015
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Yes, pard could ethically have catered to my possible mistake either on her bid or by runnng. That said since I am more interested in learning than results I am happy to have pard play me for having my bid even if (as indicated by her explanation) she suspects I got it wrong.
Oct. 13, 2015
Max Schireson edited this comment Oct. 13, 2015
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Would it not be an LA to leave the decision to run to pard given that I have already described my hand? Hard for me to believe that making that decision myself is the only choice and certainly is suggested by the UI. If pard is 4711 and wants to run she can. Certainly without the (correct) explanation and attendant UI I would have run.
Oct. 13, 2015
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Carolyn,
Thanks for the warning. I should have been clearer that this part of comment (which was not my main point) was not addressed at any individual but was an earnest effort to provide feedback on how *the proposal* looks from a distance. In fact you two personally strike me as being in touch and I wholeheartedly agree with your observation about likely attendance of top players regardless of this change.
I don't really feel qualified to address whether adding another NABC+ knockout is a good idea or not. I sincerely doubt it will move the needle on attendance and I hope it won't push mini-blue-ribbon to overlap Thanksgiving.
Oct. 10, 2015
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Tom,

As a new and enthusiastic but definitely non-top player, I am certainly in the category of players who might or might not attend a nationals (or may only attend part of it). The factors that will influence my decision are:
1. Schedule. Overlap with Thanksgiving or another major holiday is an absolute non-starter for any bridge event.
2. Availability of challenging but not impossible events. 10k, red ribbon, mini-blue ribbon, mini-spingold etc are worth a trip. NABC+ is too hard (hopefully just for the time being!) and regional open pairs @nationals is fine for a day after being knocked out but is not worth a special trip.

My requests/recommendations are:
1. Fix the thanksgiving conflict
2. If you can't fix the thanksgiving conflict please please don't schedule the non-plus NABC events over thanksgiving; the audience for those events is probably more holiday sensitive than the NABC+ events
3. It would be excellent if there was real thought given to a sequence of such events that would be suitable for a non-top enthusiastic player; Chicago was great but there is nothing other than a regional or NABC+ at the end of Denver (unless you count NABC+ Swiss opposite Reisinger); similarly at the end of Reno if you are knocked out of 0-10k there is nothing besides a regional short of the Silodor.
4. When changes to the elite events are presented as designed to drive attendance recognize that while I believe your personal sincerity it looks at best out of touch and at worst disingenuous to many rank and file members

I know that many people find the idea of limited national championships silly; I think they are a great opportunity to develop new players who are serious but not ready for “real” national competition.

I hope you find this feedback helpful.
Oct. 10, 2015
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While this isn't the main point of the discussion, I would be very interested in the 2500 and 6k Blue Ribbons but the day after thanksgiving is a complete showstopper for me, I would sadly cease to even consider them as an option.

I have a feeling than many who are not full time bridge players would feel similarly. I do strongly suspect that schedule/Thanksgiving is a *much* bigger driver of attendance at Fall NABC than the lack of a 7 day event, which would impact at most a few hundred potential entrants many/most of whom would attend anyway. For me the Fall nationals is and will always be at most a 7 day event if held on the current dates due to conflict with thanksgiving weekend.

While I have great respect for the bridge skills of the committee, if you truly want to impact attendance the “when” of the Fall NABC matters much more than what is on the schedule.
Oct. 9, 2015
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Very similar to my thoughts. In a slightly more serious formulation, a code ought to be more compact than what it predicts. If you have 8 complex rules I think you would need to test it on many more than 10 boards, especially when there are so many potential signals to choose from.
Oct. 7, 2015
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When I played with my son (expected 99er canceled so it was an open game) I prealerted at each table that he knew no conventions, all bids were natural and that inferences from my son's bids were likely not reliable. Based on that pre-alert I did not alert any bids during the auction and everyone was gracious and my son had fun.
Oct. 2, 2015
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That's probably a good system, but in this specific case even knowing that partner suspects my bid may have been in error is UI and probably prevents me from pulling. If partner asked me to step away from the table for every explanation that would avoid any UI but isn't practical.
Sept. 28, 2015
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Say the auction goes 1S - Pass - 2S - 3D.

Assuming a double is penalty and 3S is competitive your only game try is 3H, so you would want to be able to do this on a short suit.

The alert chart says game tries which may by agreement have less than 3 cards are alertable. The alert pamphlet (12 pages with more details) says *suited* game tries with less than 3 are alertable. I don't know how this is defined but arguably the 3H try very naturally says noting about hearts and thus isn't really suited, it is simply the only bid available to use as a game try.

Seems safer just to alert it.

That said if I were making the rules (scary concept!) I would say that game tries on suits with less than 3 cards out of competition need to be alerted but in competition they do not, specifically because in competition you have fewer choices and opponents should understand that and not be surprised to see short hearts in the sequence above.
Sept. 28, 2015
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I am saying that since there is a logical scenario (eg, 4-7-1-1) in which the 3H bid could have been made consistent with my mistaken understanding of my own bid, I should look at logical alternatives as though I had not woken up. Of course without the explanation I expect I would have been surprised by the bid and likely realized my mistake, but it seems better not to give myself the benefit of that doubt.

If pards response was really impossible (not just surprising) given my erroneous understanding of my own bid then I would have AI about the misunderstanding as well and could make more of a case that I should wake up.
Sept. 27, 2015
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You mentioned that you thought this auction was similar to 1C - P - 2N. I assume you are suggesting that because your partner has shown a (roughly) similar level of strength? I wanted to explain why I think most experienced players wouldn't agree with that analogy.

When your partner opens 1C and you respond 2N, you are inviting a game in notrump, showing something like 11-12 points in a typical bidding system. A bid of 1NT shows 6-10.

This auction is very different. Your partner has shown 10+ and you have *already* shown an opening hand, call it 12+. This might be enough to make 2NT most of the time, but that doesn't mean you have to bid it. Say you bid 1NT. Partner will expect you to have ~12-14 HCP and will bid 3NT with some extras and a hand suitable for NT. Rebidding 1NT as opener shows a similar (although slightly stronger) hand to a jump to 2NT as responder over a 1C opener.

What about stronger hands? If you have a balanced ~15-17 in most systems you would have opened 1NT not 1C. So a jump to 2NT logically shows a balanced hand with ~18-19 (too strong to open 1NT but too weak to open 2NT). I think this is one big reason people consider this auction very different. Another reason it is very different is that you are in a redoubled contract with (presumably, assuming the 2NT rebid shows 18-19 per the above logic) the vast majority of the high cards. You are likely to either collect big bonuses for overtricks or big penalties for setting them. This makes a pass very appealing.

I believe that over a 2NT jump rebid it is not standard to play transfers, although some do. Definitely an area where you need to have an agreement with your partner if you want transfers to be on.
Sept. 24, 2015
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Perhaps a conspiracy by all the readers to mostly be interested in articles about cheating forced Kit to give those titles to trick us into reading about actual bridge.
Sept. 21, 2015
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If they dont ruff your club winner you dont need the squeeze so you are ok but my originally stated line if they don't go for a club ruff is wrong.

Second trick play a diamond. Make sure to clear the heart suit for ruffs immediately - if they don't take their heart before exiting a trump pitch it on on your good diamond. Ruff a heart low, club back to south and if they ruff it transposes. Ruff a second heart with the A, 6 of hearts through the J back to south, draw two rounds of trump and cash your last club for 10 tricks.
Sept. 20, 2015
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Ack, my solution isn't quite right, it is more complicated now that I look at it awake. If he ruffs the third round of clubs you don't have transportation so the club threat isn't working. Need to think more.
Sept. 20, 2015
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Well the cheating has definitely gotten most of the airtime lately but Kit is not the only world class player offering real bridge stuff here, Michael Rosenberg is pretty darned good at these and chimes in with suggestions and many other very strong players do too. I am about a thousand levels below those guys but every once in a while I figure one out…

It will be nice to move on from cheating being such a large portion of the discussion.
Sept. 20, 2015
Max Schireson edited this comment Sept. 20, 2015
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Yes I think you have to play the diamonds before the second round of trumps, otherwise W can pitch a diamond loser on one of the trumps and the squeeze won't work.

Sounds like you are having a fun evening, enjoy and take a look in the morning :)
Sept. 20, 2015
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It's a great program but he asked for the line :)

I think west is squeezed in hearts and clubs. If they go after the club ruff you ruff a heart low, finesse in trumps, ruff a heart high, and eventually they have to unguard clubs or hearts while you draw trump. The key is attacking the hearts as you are drawing trump so that you can get an immediate heart winner by the time trumps are drawn.

If they don't go after the club ruff, you can take 3 clubs (and if they ruff it transposes into the line above), a diamond, one round of trump, and crossruff with your last 6 trumps letting them overruff with the jack somewhere along the way.
Sept. 20, 2015
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