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Kathryn, Your assumption of comments people make at the table may be correct I don't know. It's not common in my experience. Sure there are some bores out there that try to dictate at the table but that doesn't make it right or appropriate. Certainly badgering the opps is way out of line.

I had a similar situation in a club against an experienced player last week. I said nothing at the time. The lead was not the suit indicated. Later I spoke privately with the individual only because I knew him.

At a tournament let them ask their questions. If the lead is the suit indicated and you feel that you may have been damaged call the director. Review the bidding and actions.

Fill out a recorder slip.
July 12
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Kathryn if there is an irregularity call the director. It definitely isn't your responsibility.
July 11
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Peg, perhaps you are right. I also note that Jenni mentions the person only had 80 masterpoints. I'm not sure how she knew that at the time but presuming she did it troubles me that we aren't instilling awareness of proper procedure early on.

Perhaps someone with 80 masterpoints won't be executing a stepping stone but it doesn't take a lot of experience to be actively ethical. If this was a novice game or 0-300 I can understand the director soft pedaling it.

We had a situation in a National mixed swiss where someone asked extensively about 2D after it went 2C - P - 2D with a great diamond holding. They were a flight B pair. Their partner didn't lead a diamond and no harm was done but I called the director anyway and filled out a recorder slip. The recorder followed up as appropriate.

If the declarer did continue to make a fuss and snide comments a ZT warning/penalty is certainly appropriate. A slip at the table doesn't give one license to abuse.
July 11
JoAnn Sprung edited this comment July 11
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Mike the opponents are entitled to know your agreements re the double. I don't see a problem with their question or subsequent action.
July 10
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Kathyrn IMO you received two very poor rulings. The director should have said that you are entitled to ask questions at your turn to bid but if it is possible that the timing and type of question could have conveyed UI for the lead then adjustments could be made.
July 10
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Joe I agree completely with your premise. Unfortunately players tend to get pretty pissed when they are paying more for their room under the tournament rate than some who booked separately or at the last minute. Who can blame them?

Even if the hotel gives the organizers credit for the rooms we still have an unpleasant situation. This happened at Bally's.
July 3
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Brian to answer your question yes it can be built into the agreement. Of course any concession gained can cost.

Why don't you make some positive contributions or are you just posting to denegrate other's suggestions?
July 1
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Joe, the League has had that type of clause for years. In the end doesn't it make more sense to require the hotel to adjust for the convention the lowest prevailing rate (including internet resellers) available at the time of the event? Requiring the hotel to keep to the contracted rate and not offer anything lower can cost players more may require the hotel to go with unbooked rooms.

It doesn't happen often but it did happen with our Regional. The contracted rate was $40 higher than Bally's was offering on the internet. Unfortunately we had very little recourse.
July 1
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Brian re “Go somewhere else yourself and get the playing space for free.”

What makes you think I don't? One doesn't have to stay at the host hotel to view the system as inequitable.
June 30
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Actually Ed unfortunately there is. Players staying at friends, other hotels, vrbo etc are getting the playing space for free. Where is the outrage?
June 30
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Ed if the hotel can't or won't block enough rooms you negotiate additional space for room guarantees at nearby hotels. It's not unusual to have deals at several hotels. I'm not sure how this correlates to shifting the playing space costs from the hotel rate to the entry fees.
June 30
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Mike -

First to broadly damn all of the poster's because you don't like one person hijacking the thread is unfortunate. Most of our community is smart enough to distinguish and ignore some posters.

Second: “Please explain to me what is constructive by not negotiating for reduced playing site costs and letting the market dictate how much to pay or save on internet hotel rates?”

Having extensive experience negotiating hotel contracts both professionally and for bridge (I negotiated the deal for the 2010 world championships in Phila) I can assure you that there no such thing as a free lunch. It's definitely a zero sum game.

Of course you can get the playing space in a hotel for guaranteeing rooms. Keep in mind that they have convention space to attract conventions. However all those “free” worker suites and built in perks like additional meeting rooms, refreshments, early access for set up, special lighting etc cost real money not fake money.

Take for example we guarantee 500 room nights in exchange for the space at a rate of $120 a night. Once could and should ask how much the room rate for a guarantee of 500 room nights would be without the playing space. Let's say it's $100. Now we have a true bottom line cost of building the space into the hotel rate.
$20 x 500 = $10,000.

Room rates:
Room rate without space: $100/
Room rate with space - $120
Add 20 workers suites - $128
Add 8 smaller room: $130

Get the picture? One can and should quantify the true cost of these “freebies”

IMO the league should either follow the WBF practice of charging more for entries for players who do not stay in the host hotel or quantify and build the cost into the entries. Wouldn't more people come to NABCs or Regionals if the rate is 20-30% less?

Why should only the players staying at the main hotel pay for the space?
June 30
JoAnn Sprung edited this comment June 30
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Why is it when someone makes a constructive suggestion they are dismissed as ingrates who should be grateful for and accept whatever the organizers put together? Suggestions for improvements do not lessen the contributions made by others. I guess there is no room for improvement.
June 29
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Paul I was very sad to hear about the tournament. After the Menton disaster the EBL promised that we would never have such a poor experience again. What gives? We briefly considered going this year. So happy we didn't.
June 29
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Australia could teach the rest of the world about running tournaments. Great site, nice people, fabulous hospitality and no anal restrictions on conventions. They eliminate all of the little annoyances that we regularly put up with at a tournament like waiting forever for team pairings, waiting in line to buy an entry, poor playing space, obnoxious opponents (not tolerated), inferior hotels etc.

Loved it so much that we are going back.
June 29
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Agreed John, why have the people staying at the main hotel cover the cost of playing space for all?
June 28
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For commonly used treatments 2 negative response to 2 gets my vote. MUD is a close second.
June 23
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Kevin I disagree with your assumptions. Sadly I think the fault on the “cheap” rooms lies with the organizers. They assume that is what the players want and try to arrange for tournaments accordingly. A perfect contrast to this theory is the wildly successful Victoria regional this year which was moved from the burbs to a more expensive (but nicer) downtown location.

The Orlando NABC certainly wasn't any bargain for the rooms or meals. The League really should and could focus more on an all around pleasant experience. See my article on bridge down under for ideas of how to attract and keep players.
http://bridgewinners.com/article/view/the-wonder-of-bridge-down-under
May 21
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@Robb - no intent to diss KC specifically just was making a point that one (or many) awful NABCs can cause players to reassess their travel choices.
May 19
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At some point I suspect they could have. Evidently there was a lot of back room maneuvering by some to push through the Swan and Dolphin at the time.

It is probably too late to get a prime location for November '22 in Florida. After the Orlando disaster it would be a huge mistake to pick a less than optimal site.

One of the reasons we skipped KC was Orlando. We have decided to be more selective in our NABC choices.
May 18
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