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Here, with permission from Rich, not sure from all his members, is his list of over forty complaints that inspired this thread:

The Complaints Bridge Players Have Actually Voiced.
by Rich Marchione

Room too hot
Room too cold
Light hurts the eyes
To windy (small air current caused by fans)
Chairs too hard
Chairs shouldn't have arms
Side tables too low
Cards too sticky
Cards too slippery (when sticky cards replaced by new cards)
Cards too hard to read/see (request for large print format cards)
Too few rounds
Too many rounds
Not enough light
Too much light
Not enough boards
Too many boards
Game starts on time (should be a grace period)
Too noisy
Too quiet
Water is warm
Water is too cold
Players are too fast
Players are too slow
Table arrangement confusing
Bidding boxes confusing
Hand records need to be simplified
No choice of coffees (decaf, flavored, etc. requested)
Parking should be free for players
Parking is too expensive ($5)
Not enough time for each hand
Slow players should be banned
Don't want to sit in a chair warmed by somebody else (request for NS seating)
Convention cards too complicated
Rules too complicated
I don't want to play against so-and-so. Seat me in the same direction as them.
Noisy players should be banned.
Pass outs should be re-dealt
Late plays shouldn't be allowed.
Oct. 23
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I don't remember what comedian said it..“She wore a see-through blouse and you wish you couldn't.”
Oct. 21
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Too weak. Nasty needs weeding out.
Oct. 21
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Tell him to wash his clothes.
We have similar problems with women and residual perfume smells lingering on their clothes.
Talk, explain the problem. If he won't take care of it or can't you'll have to decide what to do next. In these kinds of situations, the first step, communication, always needs to made as soon as the problem is identified. It never goes away on its own. It invariably gets worse over time and eats at everyone connected with it.
Oct. 20
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Great idea. But before I ask him for his list, why don't you start a thread asking our sanction holders and our club managers for their favorites? Maybe we could top his.
I'll get it started. This ever happens to you?
An expert player makes a wonderfully creative bid to either talk the opponents out of their best spot or otherwise create a winning edge on the board. They come to me to complain about it. “Look what that guy did to us on this board.” Is how it always starts. I pretend I'm not on their wave length. My response is always the same. “Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I could only hope that I would have been able to come up with that call had I been in his place. Thank you for sharing.”
Oct. 19
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With a better rating system maybe it has a chance to become major league again.
Oct. 18
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We've reached 200 comments. Almost all in favor of adding a rating system to Masterpoints. As a community can we agree that we do not intend to throw the baby out with the bath water. Masterpoints work.
That said, can someone start a thread on an in depth analysis of the systems in use today. I agree with all who say we should not have ACBL start from scratch.
Oct. 18
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I believe The Common Game can break down results on a hand by hand basis. In can track both how you did on a given board, Matchpoint wise, and also the power rating of the pair you played it against. That would seem to be an improvement on any system that can't take both variables into account.
Oct. 16
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That was New York in the 70's described to a tee.
Oct. 16
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Every other table was a non smoking table for a while. Anyone remember smoking sections on a plane?
Oct. 14
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Randy makes a scary point.
Oct. 14
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First. When will you be coming? We would be “Honored” to have you here.
Next: Say club A teaches. A lot. And club B opens in a church across the street, charges a lot less, but for whatever reason decides that teaching is not for them. Maybe it's as simple as space or time doesn't permit it.
Then what? Club A goes out of business and the bridge community is the worse off.

At least, would you agree that we must find a way to give teaching organizations a competitive advantage of some kind? Apples to apples, I still have a problem with “unfair” competition. But I don't see an easy way out. Certainly you don't want to discourage someone from competing with a club down the road that is doing a miserable job of it. But you also don't want a club opening simply to take away the other's business by undercutting them for a year or so and then jacking up the price once they've accomplished what they set out to do.

Not an easy fix if there is one.
Oct. 14
Jeff Bayone edited this comment Oct. 14
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Steve,
Please do the BW community a service and rather than leave this as a post, use it to start a new thread and discussion on this topic. I think you are wrong on so many levels, but it is important that we vet this properly before we “waste” everyone's time by going forward with it. At worst it will give whatever BoD committee is charged with looking into maybe developing and adding an additional rating system something to think about.
Oct. 14
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Alan,
Do you believe this “new incentive” will be anywhere near enough to draw any of the sanction holders here back into the game? I don't think so. Not Jim or Randy or John Nortdurff (below). Private teachers will not so eager to embrace the $30 bounty either. Not if they think for a moment that in doing so they might be losing a student. A $5 or $30 remuneration means little if it costs, correctly or not, a private teacher's long term client.
I think it is too little, too late. More, much more, needs to be done to attract and to hold those people willing to open new clubs and those willing to keep current bridge clubs going.
Oct. 13
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I just looked at your must read. It is a wonderful history lesson.
In 1976, the year I started my first club, club rating point game rewards were based on .07 a table. I forget what maximum was but it certainly wasn't much more than a full Master point. Today it is .10 and recently went to four Masterpoints for a forty table game. Can we compare that “inflation” with what has occurred over that same period at Sectionals, Regionals and Nationals with special emphasis on what Henry called “an obscenity”, Gold rush events.
Over the years, have these rewards placed the clubs at a disadvantage vis-a-vis 1976, or are they still pretty much in sync?
Oct. 13
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Barbara,
If a club opened tomorrow right across the street from you and charged $5 a session, how long do you think you would continue in operation? Even if 2/3 of your players remained faithful, could you survive for long? Doesn't matter the product, matters the fact that after all those years of delivering a good product, you could be out in a matter of months.

ACBL does interfere in rating point games. Happens all too often. Two of my clubs have been impacted. It literally put one out of business.

I couldn't get elected dog catcher in my unit let alone get to sit on the Board of Directors. Owners and Units too often find themselves at odds. Our GNYBA has made great inroads over the last few years, thanks in part to our new District Rep, David Moss, who leaves the Unit after serving as President and doing much to bring the two sides together.

As to the incentives. Too little, too late.
Ask any of those retiring whether the now $10 for maybe three years for each new member created would change their mind. Let's say they each create 20 new members a year. Right now they get a whopping $5 a piece. That's $100 a year. Let's look at it over five years. 20 times $5 times five years = $500. Under the new system: 20 times $10 = 200 times 5 = $1,000. Plus if the new member renews a second and third time that $10 gets paid two more times. Unfortunately I believe that only about half renew after the first year. That's still $100 more the second year and $100 more the third year. Then it goes to zero. No more benefits. So putting it all together, over five years this would come to $1900. That's $1,400 more over five years or an extra $280 a year per year.
Is that enough to change any minds? At 12 hours work a week for say 50 weeks, if my math is right that come to an extra, hell you do the math, it's not worth my effort.

Sorry Barbara, only the strong and the lucky will survive under these conditions. Our non-profit National organization seems to have its limits. Think “promotion on a national level”. A non profit, basically volunteer system of 3,000 independent clubs, has it much worse. Even Alan Powell is thinking of packing it in. As the owner of one of the top ten clubs in the country if he doesn't feel it's worth it, what does that say about the other 2,900?
Oct. 13
Jeff Bayone edited this comment Oct. 13
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“Like this”…is an understatement. Spot on.
Oct. 11
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There actually is a Bayonne Bridge in NJ.
Oct. 10
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Both
Oct. 10
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Ellis,
I was writing my post and posting it just now and then I see yours. I missed many of your concerns. How thoughtless of me.
Oct. 10
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