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Linda,
I don't think you've been to Honors but if you're curious, we don't have urinals in the ladies room either.
Feb. 3, 2018
Jeff Bayone edited this comment Feb. 4, 2018
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Unlike chess we can not rate the individual so we will have to rate pairs. Once we agree to this, the rest should be relatively simple. All that will be needed is enough data to crunch.
Feb. 3, 2018
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Tom,
First we are living in a “dumb down society” so why would we not expect it to filter into our bridge community?

Allan Graves refers to duplicate bridge as a mind sport. I see others have picked up on this term too. Good. I like it. So do many involved in duplicate.

But is that who the ACBL should only be concerning itself with? ACBL's mission statement is to promote bridge. Bridge, not duplicate bridge. Why? Did the founders just miss this distinction and intend all along to have it really mean duplicate? Don't know.

One difference, I'll note from running both duplicate clubs and a rubber bridge club (the latter I helped run into the ground) is duplicate players analyze everything, every hand, every bid, every signal, everything. My rubber bridge players just shrugged and went on to the next board. And they were playing for something real.

My point is that people covet what they see (Silence of the Lambs). People need to see other people playing and enjoying bridge. That's where the next generation will come from. Problem is, they don't see us playing bridge in great enough quantities. Great players are out there now just waiting to be introduced to the game. We need to find a way to reach the masses with our game, not our mind sport game, our game. Most of the country is not enthralled with higher learning. So much the pity. But to reach those who are we must cater to a much larger cross section. 20 to 30 million players in the forties and fifties yielded under 200,000 original ACBL members. Those are the numbers we must try to replicate if we are to keep our Regionals and Nationals from imploding within the foreseeable future.
Feb. 3, 2018
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John Adams.
Good question. Don't know. Only a very few won anything more that a point.We did have one fairly high O/A place.
Feb. 3, 2018
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Bob, Donald….What is your feeling of how a pairs strength-based system might effect the game?
Feb. 3, 2018
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No clue either as to why LM's would seek Gold over Sivler or for that matter, over Black. Of course, the answer to our prayers might be to wean them off points, once they attain LM status, and on to a strength based system.
Feb. 3, 2018
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I have a dream.
Will there ever come a time in a player's life when he or she realizes that whoever dies with the most Gold points doesn't necessarily win? The excitement of going to Regionals and Nationals is in the play, the different field, the running into old friends, the making new ones, the memories of wins against great competitors, and the agony of defeat. EHAA. ERAA, ENAA, every hand, every Regional, every National is an adventure, or should be. Not for the chasing of Gold, Silver, or even Platinum points, but for the chasing of memories and the sheer enjoyment of the game.
Feb. 3, 2018
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Having run the first REACH I can tell you that the vast majority of our 144 club participants were non LM's. The players PLAY against the stronger players, but COMPETE among themselves. I'm not sure if the reality isn't that the field is exactly as strong as Gold Rush events.
Feb. 2, 2018
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Donald,
The Instant Match Point Game does offer a Gold Point, but there is a catch. That one little point is only awarded in an Open field. Who in an Open field needs Gold? IN NYC it's no one. The 750 players would kill for one, but know they would have little chance against the much stronger players in the open game. They know they have to win their section to earn that point, placing gets them nothing. Then there is the added disincentive of that extra $4 a player cost.

A 750 section contains some LMs. That should make it acceptable for ACBL to loosen the purse strings. It is the fun event of the year and a shame it does not attract better.
Feb. 2, 2018
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Exactly. At least with match points good players have a chance.
Feb. 2, 2018
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I was advised by everyone not to open a bridge club back in 1976 for that very same reason. So I'm well aware of what you speak.

Would I want to try to open one today?

Today the median age of our Regional tournament player is a lot older than ever before, probably somewhere around 75 years old. Median is where half the people are above and half below. Ten years from now the older half will be in their high 80's. Never before has this been true. People are living longer, but that much?

I don't think anyone is trying to disguise the purpose of REACH. It is as Steve Moese has repeatedly pointed out. Evening the playing field. Bahar has the facts and they show that the growth and spread of Regionals, since way back in the early 80's, has had a serious negative effect on member clubs' health.

Through the early 80's weekends were clubs' cash cows. Friday and Saturday night games actually existed and were healthy. Find me one club in the country today that even runs a game of any kind on both those nights. Regionals were the cause.

Donald, I agree to some extent with what you say. Yes REACH may have a negative effect on Regional attendance. But it may not. Yes REACH may have a positive effect on Regional attendance long term. It may not. Doing nothing to strengthen teaching centers will have a very negative effect on Regional attendance long term. There's no or not there.
Feb. 2, 2018
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OK Don. what if it is? Let's cut to the chase. Without large teaching centers, bridge, as we know it, is over in ten to fifteen years, tops. Regionals of size, by necessity, will be few and far between

Small clubs don't have the resources or size to provide a sheltering, nurturing environment from which to grow new players. I spend 90% of my time doing just that. Honors' size and strength afford me this opportunity. We need to develop many more clubs like mine if we are to be able to sustain and grow the organization.
Feb. 2, 2018
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Bob,

I think this is what you should be worried about:

I just checked your District's three largest clubs. Between them they had one class, exactly one, listed for beginners. You know the expression,"Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic'? Whether REACH is good for Regionals or good for clubs ultimately will make no difference unless clubs produce players. I don't know why these three clubs don't have beginner classes, but I can guess. Beginner classes are not profitable. In fact it may cost the clubs money to try to develop new players. Without strong, profitable clubs, everything live will fall apart. Bahar and Jay are simply looking for innovative ways to strengthen the underpinnings of the organization, its clubs. I applaud them.

Full disclosure: I run Honors, and with it, fifteen classes for new, and just a little more than new, players, some of who just might one day play in an ACBL Regional. We are a strong club. I can afford to run these fifteen sessions a week at a loss. Less financially solid clubs may not have that luxury.
Feb. 1, 2018
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If you think match points are bad, try running IMP pairs at the club level.
Feb. 1, 2018
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Our volunteers work as tutors and as supervisors in our social rubber bridge sessions (10 a week). They enjoy it. We “reward” them with a free play.
Jan. 31, 2018
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I like that…play and learn. What we've found corroborates what you've just said, trial by fire is a horrible idea. Actually so is easy duplicate, novice duplicate, etc. If they would rather just come and throw some cards, socialize, have some fun, and chat away, no form of organized bridge will suit them. 32,000,000 social players. 200,000 duplicate. I'm for going after the 32 mil.

As to those rural clubs, the only possible way for them to survive is to figure out a way to make the club bridge experience “better” then it would be playing at home. What that is, is what we'll be working on the next few months.
Jan. 31, 2018
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Richard,
You may be right. 15 years ago may have been a better time. But they didn't have a plan then, and I'm not sure they have one now that can be effective enough. That's why we hav to help.

Ian,
My “vision” is that they will play for “rubber bridge points” just as the y chase master points now, we'll have them vying for rubber bridge points. We'll have lists , leader boards, handicaps, prizes, rubber bridge tournaments. A who;e second League.
Jan. 31, 2018
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Rubber bridge in the UK is unplayable? Tell that to Andrew Robson. He's built his club on a combination of duplicate and social bridge. Is chess for no stakes dead? Bridge for no stakes is still fun. Personally I love sitting down for an hour or so (that's about all the free time I have) and just seeing what comes up. EHAA-every hands an adventure. I'll never lose the excitement of wondering what's in store for us on the very next hand.
Money - bah humbug.
Jan. 31, 2018
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Interesting.

1. 70 is the new 50. I love recruiting 70 year olds almost as much as I do empty nesters. These groups are my main source of new players. At least in NYC they are the ones with the time, money, and curiosity to want to devote the effort it takes to play this game well.

2. Because so many older rubber bridge players have stopped playing, those remaining may need to find a place to come together to play. I'll take fifty healthy 80 and 90 year olds any day. Hopefully, since I'll be 70 soon, there's a lot of life left in them.

3. Say you are right on all three assumptions, and the only way to rebuild bridge is with young players. How do bridge clubs and tournaments survive the twenty/thirty years in between the time the kids learn to play and when they become old enough to have the time, energy and money to actually get a chance to play? What with family and careers most adults take a huge time off between when they learned to play and when they return to play.

4.To try to build and sustain growth, I think we need to look to creating a fun place for the not-so-serious player. I just am not so sure that kind of business model yet exists, but I'm trying to develop one. Having people play rubber bridge, tracking their results, rewarding their achievements, just like we do with duplicate players, is the plan I'm currently pursuing.
Jan. 31, 2018
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This is not about relaxed rules. It's about duplicate and rubber existing in the same space. Duplicate for people who enjoy mind sports, rubber for everyone else. 32,000,000 played bridge at its height, 200,000 played duplicate bridge at its height. Clubs need to tap in to that larger community if only to provide them with a financial base. This is especially true of the smaller clubs that are dying in droves.
Jan. 31, 2018
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