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You want butler ratings. Until the players want to use bridgemates, you aren't going to get them.
21 hours ago
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@Yu: I think you're missing Buddy's point, which is that what matters is not which round has “flat” or “swingy” board sets (I'm far from convinced that most sets of boards can be classified as either, but even assuming they could), but rather which team you play which set of boards against. That applies not only the “flat” sets and “swingy” sets but sets that happen to have boards good for certain methods. For example, there was a set in Lyon (sorry, don't remember which one) where a 10-12 NT just killed us. The “luck” on that set was having the 10-12 NT pair hold those hands; they wouldn't have created swings otherwise.
23 hours ago
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I think just providing that Team A will win if there is an exact tie in the match is adequate - we don't have to award some number of IMPs. And if you want something to show on Vugraph, it isn't possible to show fractions of IMPs on the Vugraph score.
Sept. 18
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I abstained because your list of events ignores what (to me anyway) are the “main events” at NABCs: the Vanderbilt, Spingold, and Reisinger. With screens, those events now start at 12:00 and 7:00, which has allowed enough time for a reasonable break between sessions as well as a reasonable end to the second session and a modest change from the 12:00 start on the final Saturday to 11:00 on the final Sunday.
Without screens, I'm not so sure that 1:00 and 7:00 will work for those events, all of which have longer session times than any of the other NABC events (except perhaps the 3-day Swisses on the final weekend). So do we want to have a lot of different start times - pair events and Regional events at 1:00 & 7:00. NABC+ KOs, BAM & Swiss events without screens at 1:00 and 7:30, all events with screens at 12:00 & 7:00 except on the final Sunday when they're at 11:00 and 6:00? Is the benefit worth the possible confusion? I don't know.
Sept. 18
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Danny & Michael make an excellent point about using the result of a USA1 match between teams that tie their USA2 match as a second tie-break (after Round Robin match result, or before?).
And certainly we'll vote separately on using the Round Robin result to break a tie between two teams that met in the Round Robin and using PPs to break a tie between teams that didn't play in the Round Robin. That is not only more controversial, since it uses “regular season” results instead of USBC results, but also more complicated (for example, if 4 players on a 6 person USBC team earned PPs, should the team get all of them or only 2/3?). The result of the vote will help us decide whether to implement only the earlier results in the event tie-break or also results during the cycle.
Sept. 18
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It helps, but boards are only removed when they haven't been started at the end of a round. Sometimes A board has been started but not completed.
Sept. 16
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All of that is true, but we allow quite a lot of time (9 minutes per board in Round Robin matches) and when both sides are at fault, they probably could have finished on time had they tried a little harder. The idea of penalizing both sides is to try to get them to try harder. Slow play is more of a problem in Round Robins than in KOs because one slow table keeps everyone from starting the next round.
Sept. 15
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@Dale: Interesting point about when the convention card was designed. AFAIK, the WBF card was first used sometime in the 1980's, only 10 or so years later than the ACBL card, but it has held up a little better. Maybe that's something we should give Jaime Ortiz-Patino credit for?
Sept. 15
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Thanks, Paul G (just realized both comments above this were by a Paul) - I made a copy and saved it and now have something I can edit. I hope it's okay if I share with others who may need to complete one for Orlando.
Sept. 14
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The Word template is the best I know of. Note that the one on the WBF site is formatted for A4 paper, which may be one reason you're having problems with spacing. I don't know enough about Google docs to know how it would load there. I do know that if you don't know what you're doing with Word or Pages, it is very easy to make a horrendous mess! WBF convention cards are one of the reasons that I'm pretty adept with Word :-). It's a Word table, so you need to know that you're editing a table, not columns and not just a straight document - if you run over the space in one cell, you will end up making the whole row double sized, which may create unintended consequences.
Sept. 14
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We do video all of the tables, but watching the videos and measuring time taken is, as you say, a very large job.
Sept. 13
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You might want to read the USBF General Conditions of Contest sections on Time, which cover many of those questions. We have spent a lot of effort on defining slow play, but we still haven't managed to deter it very much.
Perhaps if we just say that when a table doesn't finish all of the boards in a Round Robin match in the allotted time and it is not clear that one pair is at fault, both teams are penalized 3 VPs we will provide some deference to slow play. No, it won't be perfect and no, I don't know how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, but maybe it will help.
Sept. 13
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It seems to me that the exercise gave you extremely useful information!
Sept. 13
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Maybe we could consider things other than changing the schedule, like changing the format of 3-day events to follow what the European Championships do - after the first day, everyone qualifies to play on day 2, but half (or less) of the field play in the “A” Semifinal and the others play in the “B” Semifinal. The top 23 pairs in the “A” Semifinal qualify for the Final and the top 5 pairs in the “B” Semifinal qualify for the Final (assuming you want 28 pairs in the Final; for the Blue Ribbon & Life Master, probably double those numbers; for the Swiss teams, if you want 32 pairs, then something like 26 from the “A” Semifinal and 6 from the “B” Semifinal). That way everyone who enters a 3-day NABC+ event is guaranteed to get to play for 2 days and if you have a bad first day, you still have a chance to make the Final.
Sept. 12
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My first Summer NABC was a long time ago, and at that time you needed 100 master points to enter any of the NABC events (I remember because I got my 100th point just in time). Looking at the current Conditions of Contest, that requirement no longer exists, and I suppose it would be much less relevant today!
Sept. 12
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Well, the USBF is the United States Bridge Federation, not the North American Bridge Federation. The USBF is charged with selecting US international teams, not with running other tournaments.
NABCs are no longer called “Nationals” because they are not limited to players from one country. I suppose that with the large international presence at NABCs they should really have a still broader name, but I don't know what it should be :-).
Sept. 12
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Although I agree with Jeff (in fact I might have been one of those people), I think the relevant question, if you think there should be an NABC+ event starting on the same day as the Platinum Pairs (should there?), is whether more people want to play in both the Platinum and IMP pairs or in both the Platinum and Mixed Pairs. My guess is the former.
It used to be the case that when you failed to qualify in a “real” NABC event, you could either take the day off or play in a Regional event. It seems to me that the main issue being raised by this thread is whether we have now moved far enough from that model that everyone expects to be able to play in a “NABC” event every day of an NABC. I don't know whether that is true, or whether it is the model we want to aspire to.
Sept. 12
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I believe that the (as yet preliminary) schedule has the Rosenblum ending on October 1st and will allow drop-ins from the Rosenblum Semifinal to the Pairs Final.
The McConnell & Rand are tentatively scheduled to end on September 29th, allowing drop-ins from the Semifinal and Final of those events to drop into the finals of their respective pair events.
All of the Pair events are tentatively scheduled to end on Oct. 1st.
The Mixed Teams is tentatively scheduled to be 5 days long (2 days qualifying, 1 day each Quarterfinal, Semifinal & Final).
The Mixed Pairs is tentatively scheduled for 3 days opposite the KO of the Teams, which will allow drop-ins from the Teams quarterfinal to the Pairs Semifinal and from the teams Semifinal to the Pairs Final.
I am sure that as soon as the WBF organizers have finalized the exact schedule, including secondary events, it will be published on the WBF website. I confess I'd prefer to have the WBF find a site and dates for 2019 than worry about the precise details of the 2018 schedule.
Sept. 12
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You've been saying that for years. All I'm suggesting is that the problem you think exists really doesn't, whereas the problems the directors & I have to confront every year are very real, and cause delays and difficulties. My reason for suggesting we do away with sequestering is to make the event better by eliminating a lot of confusion on the part of the players and unnecessary work on the part of the already over-worked directing staff.
Sept. 11
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@Richard - of course you're right - I wasn't thinking about the fact that odd numbered years are never divisible by 4.
@Don - my understanding is that the exact details of the schedule are still being worked out, but in response to a lot of requests for more information, the general outline was posted recently.
Sept. 11
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