Join Bridge Winners
All comments by Eric Sieg
You are ignoring the author of this comment. Click to temporarily show the comment.
If your concern is trading experienced people for inexperienced, the ACBL already includes average years of ACBL membership in its reports. While not perfect, it seems like a decent proxy for “newbies” vs “experienced vets”.

Two years ago the average age in the ACBL was 71.63 and the average years of ACBL membership was 18.90.

Last quarter the average age in the ACBL was 72.18 and the average years of ACBL membership was 19.18.

I'm not sure how best to analyze those numbers. It does seem like the average age is growing quicker than the average membership duration, but if looking at it as a % comparison/increase the difference flips. Not sure how much weight (if any) should be given to a % difference.
April 1, 2018
You are ignoring the author of this comment. Click to temporarily show the comment.
Gene, as Art just mentioned, making it to the round of 32 (aka day 3) results in a 17-32 finish and should provide overalls and seeding points. It would be a bit silly to make it to the final 32 teams and end up placing lower then 32nd.
April 1, 2018
You are ignoring the author of this comment. Click to temporarily show the comment.
Takeout, doesn't promise 4 spades. With 4 spades can simply bid 4.
April 1, 2018
You are ignoring the author of this comment. Click to temporarily show the comment.
Not being able to get out in 2 seems like a pretty huge sacrifice to make. Also, now we are likely going to end up at the 3 level on many hands for no good reason.

How I typically solve this is as follows:

After partner responds 1:

1) If we have 1453 shape we typically rebid 2. This seems perfectly adequate.
2) With 1435 shape we either rebid 1NT (if a minimum) or 2. If partner corrects 2 back to 2 we can bid 2 to show our exact shape (this sequence shows 1435 non minimum).

This has typically worked very well. The dead minimum 1435 hand is pretty rare so its very unusual for partner to rebid 2 expecting 2 in dummy and only getting 1. A truly dead minimum might even pass rather than opening, to avoid issues after a 1 response.

I personally think the 2 promising 6 is amazing and would hate to go back to only promising 5.
March 29, 2018
You are ignoring the author of this comment. Click to temporarily show the comment.
cool poll. My gut was non forcing but have no confidence that I'm right. Look forward to seeing what the results are like after more have responded.
March 27, 2018
You are ignoring the author of this comment. Click to temporarily show the comment.
@Adam It sounds like there might have been a mistake or perhaps something has changed since then. Winning a 4 way and then a head to head to get into R32 should have been 25 plat and .5 of a seeding point. Recap from Spins in Toronto shows every team who got a 17-32 finish getting 25 plat: https://live.acbl.org/event/NABC172/SPIN/2/recap
March 27, 2018
You are ignoring the author of this comment. Click to temporarily show the comment.
Treating it as just values definitely does NOT get just as many successful defenses doubled. I've gotten a ton of field tops because we were the one pair who could X while other people just watch. What are you supposed to do after (2) X (3) with KQJ9 Qx xxx xxxx? The field was +200 and we were +500. If the opponents are white, they could very well be on a 7 card fit at the 3 level and a pure “shut up, this is penalty” X is fabulous.

Have also had a variety of times where X'er doesn't have enough to X a 2nd time after (2) X (3) P P and 3 x'd is by far the best spot. On a recent occasion, advancer had AJT9x of trump and out and we got a great result from 3 X'd that no one else was finding (lots of people played 3 undoubled).

Keeping track of (2M) X (3M) ?, have had one occasion where I wished it was more responsive and many times where I wished it was more penalty. In comparison, (2M) 3m (3M) ? I've still gotten slightly better results playing X as penalty on average but its a lot closer.
March 27, 2018
You are ignoring the author of this comment. Click to temporarily show the comment.
Almost everyone plays this as takeout which is certainly how I would take it undiscussed. However, have had a LOT of success playing this as penalty. Lots of people like to raise on garbage after 2M X (?) and penalty picks up large numbers with pretty consistent regularity.
March 27, 2018
You are ignoring the author of this comment. Click to temporarily show the comment.
Jeff: Scheduling could certainly help. I personally am a lot more likely to play the Spingold because it doesn't result in missing out on any events unless I make day 3 in which case I won't care. I wonder if starting the Vanderbilt one day later is feasible. That might push the finals to Monday, but would only require a single room.
March 26, 2018
You are ignoring the author of this comment. Click to temporarily show the comment.
What were some of those proposals Steve?
March 26, 2018
You are ignoring the author of this comment. Click to temporarily show the comment.
I think one issue with the Vanderbilt is that entering it is at the expense of 2 other NABC+ events. You can't play the Sunday event (Imps starting 2019) and you can't play the mixed pairs. So even though it doesn't sound like much you essentially get one full day of bridge at the cost of 4 full days of bridge in other events.
March 26, 2018
You are ignoring the author of this comment. Click to temporarily show the comment.
I play something similar with many partners that 2 is a limit+ raise of opener's 1st/2nd seat major opener. All the clubs here allow it (heck, most allow multi), and sectionals allow it, but D20 regionals didn't allow it in their stratified pairs.
March 24, 2018
You are ignoring the author of this comment. Click to temporarily show the comment.
That was also a hypothesis I had, but it didn't appear to be valid. The mini spingolds have been going on for a while and the 10K KO is a very recent addition and hasn't ever been popular. For example, in 2001 the Spingold had 133 teams in the main draw, 72 teams in the Mini Spin, and 36 teams in the micro spin. In comparison in KC the Vanderbilt had 63 Open teams and 16 10k teams.
March 23, 2018
You are ignoring the author of this comment. Click to temporarily show the comment.
@Jeff My recent(!) experience has been that all parties mentioned here have been happy to answer questions that are framed in a way as to get answers. Questions about this subject and others that I have sent to ACBL Management, some BOD members, and Jay have all been answered promptly and courteously to my satisfaction.

If Michael's actual intent was clarity, he could have acted similarly. Instead, its become quite clear to me that he wanted to stir the pot and all positions of authority have (intelligently) stayed far away.

While no ACBL management/BOD/etc posting in this thread makes a ton of sense, it would be great to see them engage more on BW. Hopefully a more welcoming environment with a focus on communication over sensationalistic accusations/trolling/etc will encourage more. Bahar and other BOD members have posted in other threads and I hope such engagement increases in frequency.
March 23, 2018
You are ignoring the author of this comment. Click to temporarily show the comment.
Seattle. Spring/Summer/Fall are amazing, summers are the best I've ever seen, but the cloudy/damp winters can be pretty draining.
March 21, 2018
You are ignoring the author of this comment. Click to temporarily show the comment.
@Peg where does “very cloudy winters with intermittent light rain” fall on that list of weather occurrences? :)
March 21, 2018
You are ignoring the author of this comment. Click to temporarily show the comment.
I witnessed a worse sequence once:

P P 1 (1) 3NT
March 20, 2018
You are ignoring the author of this comment. Click to temporarily show the comment.
Hi Kevin,

For marketing directly, my general inclination would have been going to the areas where competitive nerds already go: board and card game tournaments and conventions. Things like Pax, Gen Con, BGG Con seem like a great place to set up a learn bridge in a day or similar. Similarly, reaching out to people like Wil Wheaton and Felicia Day and seeing if they might share their insight on getting people excited about games and potentially giving it a whirl themselves would be interesting.

I also wonder about helping the 27-50 crowd feel connected with others their age. I know part of the reason I drifted away for a while was the general lack of people under 60 playing bridge. Even after I moved to Seattle - I went to the wrong club game a few times, somehow missed the younger Seattle crowd, and then stayed away from bridge for another 4 years. I've talked to others who have had the same experience. I wonder about things like a monthly 50 and under game on BBO, a 50 and under 1 session event on the Thursdays before an NABC, etc.

Anyway, just some general thoughts. I know I was bummed to not pick up the game until 25ish as I quickly aged out and went from lots of cool things like junior camp, junior events, etc to the ACBL pretending I didn't exist. Would be fun to see more things helping connect those who are younger than the norm as I think friendships and connections with people closer to our own age helps tie people more into the game.
March 20, 2018
You are ignoring the author of this comment. Click to temporarily show the comment.
I'm not sure I agree with the sentiment that the ACBL isn't trying. The college stipend thing seems interesting.

The area I always felt was ignored was the 30 to 50 crowd. People in their teens and early 20s are going to have a lot going on after college with finding a job, not having money/leave/etc for bridge, finding a significant other, starting their life, etc. It seems like many people disappear at that point and some come back and some don't.

In contrast, there is a large contingent of people in their early 30s who have pushed through that time and now have free time, money, bandwidth, and interest to potentially become regular tournament players. Board games have exploded in popularity and most board gaming conventions/tournaments/etc I've been to have a large amount of 30+ people. While Magic the Gathering is played by those of all ages, the age of those who are traveling to compete in tournaments are upper 20s to late 30s.

Even in Seattle where it seems like we have a lot of younger players - a good chunk of those were people who picked the game up in their 30s.

As someone who was interested in bridge, it seemed like there was tons of support for those under 26 with the junior programs, but the instant you turned 27 you no longer existed. If you came to the game a bit later, then you just missed out.

So… while I think it is great to see the college stuff happening and would love to see the ACBL do more with those in high school and college, it'd also be great to see them expanding strategies to hook players who now have the money, time, and bandwidth to become serious players in the post college years as well.
March 19, 2018
You are ignoring the author of this comment. Click to temporarily show the comment.
Hi Jan,

FYI it looks like you meant this for a closed forum but posted it publicly to everyone.

FWIW, my two cents are that having it back to back with the NABC was really nice and makes it more appealing. I generally skip USBC events but if I could condense 2 plane tickets down to 1, it would be more interesting. Maybe with Monday as a rest day.
March 19, 2018
.

Bottom Home Top